April 15, 2026
How Brokers Find Off-Market Deals in Commercial Real Estate
Everyone wants off-market deals.
Very few know how they actually happen.
In this episode of Commercial Real Estate Secrets, Aviva sits down with Los Angeles-based broker David Cohen to break down exactly how top brokers find, structure, and close off-market commercial real estate deals—especially at the institutional level.
What You’ll Learn in This Episode:
- How to find off-market commercial real estate deals step-by-step
- How to break into institutional commercial real estate deals
- The real way to get rent rolls and T12s from property owners
- How to build relationships with active buyers, family offices, and institutions
- Why most off-market deals are not discounted deals
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People have the notion that off
market deals or steals.
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I've I've never sold an off
market deal that's a steal.
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It's always been, I would say
definitely at market or
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sometimes slightly above, but
for the right asset groups would
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pay top of the market anyway.
So it's just about, you know,
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finding the right group for that
deal.
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We are here today with David
Cohen live in the flesh.
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David, thank you for being on
the show today.
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My pleasure.
Thanks for thanks for having me.
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David, for the listeners, who
are you?
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What do you do and where do you
hail from?
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Yeah.
So my name is David Cohen.
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I'm a broker based out of Los
Angeles, CA, more primarily the
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San Fernando Valley.
I like selling off market,
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primarily institutional size
multifamily apartments across a
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few states.
So unless I'm completely
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mistaken, I believe that would
be the dream.
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How did you hone into that
niche?
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So I come from a family where
everyone is pretty much in the
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real estate field.
My grandmother was the first.
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She would sell residential homes
here in Los Angeles back in the
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70s or more primarily the
Valley.
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My uncle is a big residential
real estate agent and developer
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as well.
And then my mother did loans.
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So you know all that was around
me and it was a given that I was
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going to get into doing
something in real estate.
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That was a start to to all of
this.
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I smirk when you talk about how
everybody in your family does
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real estate because my family is
the same.
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You're either a doctor or you're
in the business and reverse
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nothing.
So it's funny, but OK, the
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dream.
Everybody wants to do the
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biggest deals, but say you're a
junior broker, you're just
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starting in the business.
How do you work your way up to
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those institutionally owned
deals?
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I think first and foremost it's
about finding out what you want
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to do in the sense of do you
want to go the traditional
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route, right, which is going to
Marcus and Miller Chap or a CVRE
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or something of that nature and,
and focus on getting the
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listings of those deals and, and
which obviously will take time.
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Hopefully from there you go to
like, you know, an IPA or
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something of that nature.
Or in my case, I never went that
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route.
Funny, interestingly enough, I
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did interview Eminem before when
I wanted to get into commercial
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real estate but didn't end up
going with that ended up going
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to like a kW just because you
know, and nothing is wrong with
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any of that.
It's just the type of person
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that I am and what I was into is
just the more freedom, right?
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Being able to have the freedom
to to do what I want in a sense
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of not being bound to a certain
style of approach.
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And you have to do things this
way.
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And if you don't have financials
or you do have, there's no deal
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here.
I can really just take the shots
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that I want to take, do the
things that I wanted to do and
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and obviously more so than not,
save a lot more money on the
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commission's that I would be
making, right?
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I think that's the first part.
The second part is if we're
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talking about just doing larger
deals with like institutional
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groups or just larger groups in
general, start with finding out
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who the biggest players in your
in your market or whatever
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markets you are.
And when I say biggest, I don't
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necessarily mean go for the
biggest, baddest buyers, but you
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know, go look who, and that can
be mom and pop family offices
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or, or just larger groups in
general and go find out who's
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actually buying these things,
right?
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Who's consistently active?
Who's buying the type of product
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that you want to work on?
Find out their buying criteria
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and then go find them deals.
I think that's that's that's the
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easiest way to jump in.
OK, So in a world where there's
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so much noise and so many
notifications, how are you
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getting through to the owners on
these deals?
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Yeah, I believe in cold
outreach, right?
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That's oldest proven trick in
the book, and I think it'll will
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forever be here if you know If I
can get to the decision maker
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via phone, I call and if not I I
e-mail.
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OK, so how do you get the T12 or
the rent roll out of these folks
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if they might have not been
planning on it, right?
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That could be a wind.
I think it really depends on
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what you say, how you say, when
you say it, right?
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More so than that, though, you
have to understand that not
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everyone is, you know, willing
to give, give up that
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information off the bat.
They might want to make sure
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that you're real or whether they
just give you a price or whether
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they, you know, they give you
financials and no prize or
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whether they give you nothing.
I think what allowed me to be
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able to navigate through those
things and just kind of crack
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open those those little doors is
simply who I know, right?
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It's, it's all about who, you
know, right?
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I'm just simply referring to the
buyers, right?
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I'm in a place where because of
not just because of the deals
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that I've done, but you know, I
just have the buyers of all
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shapes and sizes and
relationships with the
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acquisition directors or the
acquisition guys or the chief
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investment officers at these
companies that trust me.
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And if I tell them there's
something there or there may be
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something there, they'd be
willing to underwrite it with or
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without, you know, any
financials.
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Now, getting financials out of
especially institutions is not
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easy, especially when they have
no motivation or and you're just
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reaching out to them out of the
blue.
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You know, a lot of times when
you get that response of like,
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you know, if we're not
considering selling list, but
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feel free to send an offer,
right?
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Going and getting an offer from
a credible group is, is kind of
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sometimes what cracks that door
open, right?
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And that, that's that's kind of
the the the first start, right?
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If I can get that, I can submit
that, right?
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Show them that I'm real.
And then you kind of find out if
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there's any motivation there,
right?
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Obviously when you're submitting
that you let them know that, you
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know, if they were open to
giving you financials or giving
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you whatever you need to
underwrite or have your client
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underwrite to tighten that
OfferUp and and submit a best
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foot forward offer.
You could do that, you know,
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very quickly.
And then a lot of times they
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they're like, here you go.
And then, you know, another
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thing is even if there's no
motivation, right?
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Sometimes you, you, I just ask
really right, like I would
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rather shoot my shot and get a
no then not shoot my shot at
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all, right.
So if somebody, you know, opens
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the door for me and tells me,
feel free to submit an offer,
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right?
Well, I'm going to let them
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know, like if is there any
chance you'd, you know, you'd be
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open to giving me a rent roll on
AT 12:00 so that I can, you
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know, bring you something best
foot forward, right, based off
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of real numbers.
I'm I'm not looking to waste
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your time.
I'm not looking to waste my time
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nor my client's time, right?
So, and then obviously, you
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know, I can get you, you know, a
back of the napkin offer all
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day.
And, and it's not, you know,
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it's never like, hey, here's a,
a lowball number, right?
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It's always, I only, I pride
myself in building relationships
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with only, you know, credible,
active and sophisticated buyers
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on all three levels, right?
Whether it's mom and pops, the,
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you know, larger family offices
and, and, and the institution so
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that, you know, and they
understand what we're doing
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here.
You're not going to get any
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deals or crack any windows open
by simply just submitting
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something that that you know, is
not going to work, right?
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But having those relationships
and being able, you know, I call
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it to do anything I canmore so
they're not kind of kind of
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crack those things open.
I also like to work very
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calculated, very kind of like
sniper driven step by step.
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If I get any sort of response
where I feel there might be
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something even remotely there,
for example, something along the
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lines of like, you know, feel
free to send an offer or, you
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know, we're not sharing anything
or, but we have a client that is
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open to taking an offer, feel
free to do so rather than just
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responding there on the spot.
All right, I'll take back.
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I made my research call a couple
relationships or a buyer, see if
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this is something that that they
would look at.
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I kind of gauge, you know, their
interest level.
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Then you get it.
You get a response from someone
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and say, oh, that's definitely
something we'd look at.
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If you have financials on that,
we'd be all over that right now.
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I know that I have somebody
lined up that is gives me a gut
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feeling that they're somewhat
excited about that.
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I'm idiot.
I know if I am able to get
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financials or even if I'm not
right, I can spend some sort of
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story to have them possibly
write an offer without
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financials.
Or, or even when I go and
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respond to, you know, the, the
the seller or the owner in this
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case, my response is gonna be
much more, you know, punch in
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the face, ready to go.
You know, this is who my client
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is.
This is little bit about them,
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you know, if you're open to
sharing even a red rolling T12,
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you know, I'm I'm happy to sign
an NDA.
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They're happy to sign an NDA and
I can just come a lot more
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harder with a, with a lot more
confidence, you know, at this
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owner to try to pry open what I
what I need to, to be able to do
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so.
So why would an owner sell on
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market verse off market in one
of these capacities?
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Yeah, You know, I think when
you're dealing with larger, you
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know, institutions and rates and
stuff of that nature, it it's,
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you know, bound to take it to
market, right.
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I mean, it's, it's just, you
know, protocol.
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That's just what they do.
But you know, it can be for many
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different reasons.
I think people have the notion
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that, you know, off market deals
or steals.
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I've, I've never sold an off
market deal that's a steal
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unless it was like a mom and
pop, you know, building owned by
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two mom and pops and so forth.
But it's, it's never been a
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steal.
It's always been, I would say
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definitely at market or
sometimes slightly above.
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And it could be for many
reasons.
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Maybe they, you know, they would
just prefer a quiet deal rather
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than going through the process
of marketing and everybody
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knowing that it's for sale and
possibly not selling.
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Also my case, 9% of the time my
buyer covers my Commission.
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So when you're getting to those
larger numbers, it can
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definitely make a difference.
And the way that I look at it is
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like, if I can get to that
number, you know, what, what,
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what's, what's the difference,
right?
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It's, it's quieter, it's way
more streamlined.
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My client will cover my
Commission.
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It'll save them going through a
whole process and commissions
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and and people.
For sale sign in front of your
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multi family complex.
People also, you know, it's like
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I need to take it to market to
get to the highest number
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possible, right?
And let people, you know, do a
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bidding war or whatever.
But for the right asset group,
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it would pay top of the market
anyway.
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So it's just about, you know,
finding the right group for that
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deal.
Yeah.
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OK.
So there's this interesting
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progression.
As a broker, you are starting
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out, you're doing your ones and
twos, right, small deals just to
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get deal flow going.
But then you know that there's a
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world where you can go out and
slay these elephants.
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And by slay the elephants, I
mean do large transactions.
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How did you get from essentially
the ones and twos to the
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elephants?
What did the transition look
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like for you from that shift?
In the beginning when we started
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to put deals together, right, my
job was like selling 10 to 30
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unit deals in Koreatown.
That was my area.
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This was prior to meeting the
individual kind of at the off
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market approach to stuff in
2000.
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I saw what he was doing first
and foremost, right?
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He was selling call it like
10,000,015 million, $18 million
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deals.
And I noticed the listing was
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like, you know, why do I have to
list a property if I could sell
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it off market, right?
And if I can make right buyer to
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a deal, they're going to pay,
you know, the price that the
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owner wants anyways.
Why not?
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And so I just really just jumped
into shifting my focus.
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I remember he told me, you know,
which I can't say that I, I
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fully agree with, but I, I think
it's, it's just the nature of
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the beast, right?
A lot of the problems and the
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headaches, right, come with the
smaller deals, you know, that
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actually when you're dealing
with the larger just stuff,
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you're just dealing with more
sophisticated parties.
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And it's a it's a little
different and you're not, you
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don't, you don't have to do too
much hand holding.
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But I just jumped in.
I just started.
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He would tell me what his
clients would look for, for
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calling those deals.
I would start calling these
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owners and just simply trying to
see if there was a price or any
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indication or any motivation
whatsoever, if they'd even look
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at an offer.
And then slowly, slowly we
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started doing some deals.
And then very quickly and do do
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the, do the buyers realize as
well that wait a minute, it's
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not, you know, so and so finding
these deals, It's it's David,
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you know, how do we well, the
relationship with David, but
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then also you realize that I am
giving away a lot of money for a
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phone call that I can make
myself because obviously the
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hardest part is finding the
deals.
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I am not finding buyers.
So that's really, you know, how
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I jumped in.
I think it takes a lot of
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definitely takes risk.
You have to be OK with, you
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know, not doing deals, you know,
every month or, or, you know,
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sometimes every two months or
three months or sometimes
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longer.
No, but in in my case, and I'm
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only speaking for myself, OK, I
don't do real estate or sell
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because I necessarily love real
estate.
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You know, I just I like putting
something together out of
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nothing.
I like the ID of sitting on my
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computer, cold calling, cold
emailing, having an idea of, you
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know, a client with, you know,
might buy this or whatever the
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case may be.
Driving by a building, writing
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an address and being like, I
wonder if I can sell that, you
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know, starting from a no to one
day, maybe walking this
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property, you know, while you're
in inspection, like, what the
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hell am I doing here?
You know, and, and selling that
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I, I like the art of deal
making.
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I like having relationships with
these groups and, you know,
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getting special wish lists or
hey, David, which happens to me.
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Hey, you know, this is a
building that we'd be all over,
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you know, if you can get them to
sell like this is our Unicorn
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like and then just trying to
figure out how to go do it.
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It's funny, it's like, it's like
I said, like the most simple and
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complicated job.
Yeah.
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Yeah.
You know, again, I'm solely
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speaking for for myself, right?
I could see how you know, some
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individuals, you know, like,
what do you mean you don't love
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real estate?
Like, you know, what if deals
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are not happening all the time
or you're only working on larger
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deals and things like that.
But it doesn't, it doesn't
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bother me because I I
necessarily more more do it for
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the sport, but I think because I
do it for the sport as well.
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I don't get frustrated when you
know, deals fall out when things
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are are not moving because I
also know that I've been there a
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million times, right?
And when you're there, you kind
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of, you know, the only thing
that gets you out of those
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things is to just go look for
more deals.
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And then the next thing you
know, you, you end up doing a
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deal.
So, you know, you never get
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stressed because you just
realize, like all I got to do is
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pick up the phone or send some
emails and leads are going to
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come.
And then you just, you know, you
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work on those leads and try to
get into the finish line.
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Yeah, no, it's like energy in
results out.
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That's that's really it.
I just try to do everything with
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intention and understand that at
the end of the day, even though
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it is me, it is not me.
Oh, and whatever I have or you
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know, God can make something,
you know, 10 deals happen like
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that in the 2nd.
And I and I just do my part, try
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to be a good person and just
have faith that, you know,
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whatever happens is the way that
it's supposed to happen.
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And that's just the way that,
you know, supposed to be for me.
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And it makes life 10 times
easier.
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Maybe 100 times is you wait.
If you're, if you're in the
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right place, I think you can
feel that, absolutely.
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Other people can feel that, too.
Absolutely, absolutely right.
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OK, David, before I let you go
today, what is your commercial
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real estate secret?
So I'm going to leave you with
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one thing and something that,
you know, could help anybody who
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wants to sell larger assets,
especially off market.
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You know, nobody cares, you
know, if a deal you brought them
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didn't work out or they
submitted an offer and it didn't
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work out or, you know, whatever,
all they care about is, you
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know, where the hell does David
keep pulling these deals out of
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his, you know what from?
And how do I make sure that
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every time he does, he calls me
first, right?
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And think that's, that's really
just it being willing to put in
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the work, build a relationships
and, and find the opportunities
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and, and, you know, there's
really no secret.
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It's just about doing some
research, finding who these
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groups are that actually, you
know, the five these deals that
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you want to work on.
If you reach out to the right
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person and ask them what they
buy, they're going to tell you.
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And then you just simply have to
go punch in whatever data they
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gave you in the costar and start
reaching all bones.
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Now, if anything, you do it with
a lot more confidence because,
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you know, you actually have
these people, right, that, that,
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that I and these who are
extremely credible that just
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told you what they look for,
what they buy.
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And then you, you know, you go
find stuff and then you take it
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to them.
And if it doesn't work for them,
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well, you're not going to let
your deal die.
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Do some research, right?
Find out, you know, the next
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most credible group that you see
or that you know, might, might
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take this thing down and then
reach out to them.
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And the next thing you know,
you're, you're, you know, it's a
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win win situation because you're
finding deals, bringing them to,
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you know, larger groups who are
sophisticated and active.
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And I'd either they're buying
those deals from you or you're
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finding deals bringing them, you
know, bringing these deals to,
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to groups who are sophisticated
and active.
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And they're not buying them from
you, but you're building
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relationships with them and,
and, and, and you know what they
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buy.
And you can now, you know, go
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try to put these deals together.
Right.
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I think there's like a funny
distinction between a broker
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when they feel like they're
bugging a buyer or a seller, and
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then when they realize you're
actually bringing a value to a
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buyer or seller.
That's a that's kind of my
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unlock is like, no, I'm I'm
valuable to you.
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I will bring you the deals.
I make you money.
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Absolutely that's why I think
it's all about working smarter,
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right, Obviously working hard,
but but working smarter, right.
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You know, the, the value that I
bring to a buyer is, you know,
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tell me what you buy, I'll go
find you deals right now we see
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it gets way more calculated than
that, right?
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Because you don't want to be
shopping deals around and
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blasting them.
You know, if you take a deal and
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send it to you 5 buyers or 10
buyers and, and, and wait for
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everybody's feet.
Well, now it's not necessarily
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off market, right?
It's, it's about being
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calculated.
You know, who's the right person
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for this?
You know, based off the area,
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the product type, who you may
know that owns around here, who
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you, you may not know that owns,
that doesn't, that owns a route
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here.
And, and you know, maybe it's
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worth me reaching out to this
group 1st that I don't have a
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relationship with, but based off
of whatever research I, I did or
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I'm doing, I, I think that, you
know, they may be a better fit
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for it and running it by them
first.
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But I try to just be, you know,
sniper calculated.
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David.
Yes.
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That's bad ass.
Thank you, I appreciate it.
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For the listeners want to find
you, follow you, contact you, I
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believe you do mentorship and
mentored by you.
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Where can they do so?
Yeah.
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So I just just to be 1,000,000%
clear, I am not a coach by any
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means or a coach by nature.
I do for fun.
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It really happened on accident
many, many years ago.
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But I just like teaching
individuals do larger deals and,
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and changing their lives or
their family lives or do
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whatever they want with it.
That's none of my business.
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But but yeah, I just, I, I, I
like, I love nothing more than,
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you know, getting, you know, Adm
or getting especially, you know,
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all I have is is Twitter, first
and foremost.
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It's my only social media, let's
call it.
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I think it's the real David
Cohen or the David Cohen, excuse
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me, under score.
So David, thank you for being on
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the show today.
If you have an off market
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multifamily property, call
David, he's your guy.
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Thank you.
Thank you for being on the show
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today.
Pleasure.
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My pleasure.
Thanks for having me.
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Of course.
And for everybody listening,
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we'll see you next week.
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People have the notion that off
market deals or steals.
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I've I've never sold an off
market deal that's a steal.
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It's always been, I would say
definitely at market or
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sometimes slightly above, but
for the right asset groups would
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pay top of the market anyway.
So it's just about, you know,
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finding the right group for that
deal.
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We are here today with David
Cohen live in the flesh.
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David, thank you for being on
the show today.
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My pleasure.
Thanks for thanks for having me.
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David, for the listeners, who
are you?
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What do you do and where do you
hail from?
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Yeah.
So my name is David Cohen.
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I'm a broker based out of Los
Angeles, CA, more primarily the
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San Fernando Valley.
I like selling off market,
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primarily institutional size
multifamily apartments across a
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few states.
So unless I'm completely
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mistaken, I believe that would
be the dream.
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How did you hone into that
niche?
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So I come from a family where
everyone is pretty much in the
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real estate field.
My grandmother was the first.
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She would sell residential homes
here in Los Angeles back in the
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70s or more primarily the
Valley.
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My uncle is a big residential
real estate agent and developer
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as well.
And then my mother did loans.
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So you know all that was around
me and it was a given that I was
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going to get into doing
something in real estate.
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That was a start to to all of
this.
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I smirk when you talk about how
everybody in your family does
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real estate because my family is
the same.
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You're either a doctor or you're
in the business and reverse
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nothing.
So it's funny, but OK, the
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dream.
Everybody wants to do the
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biggest deals, but say you're a
junior broker, you're just
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starting in the business.
How do you work your way up to
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those institutionally owned
deals?
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I think first and foremost it's
about finding out what you want
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to do in the sense of do you
want to go the traditional
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route, right, which is going to
Marcus and Miller Chap or a CVRE
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or something of that nature and,
and focus on getting the
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listings of those deals and, and
which obviously will take time.
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Hopefully from there you go to
like, you know, an IPA or
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something of that nature.
Or in my case, I never went that
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route.
Funny, interestingly enough, I
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did interview Eminem before when
I wanted to get into commercial
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real estate but didn't end up
going with that ended up going
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to like a kW just because you
know, and nothing is wrong with
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any of that.
It's just the type of person
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that I am and what I was into is
just the more freedom, right?
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Being able to have the freedom
to to do what I want in a sense
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of not being bound to a certain
style of approach.
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And you have to do things this
way.
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And if you don't have financials
or you do have, there's no deal
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here.
I can really just take the shots
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that I want to take, do the
things that I wanted to do and
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and obviously more so than not,
save a lot more money on the
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commission's that I would be
making, right?
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I think that's the first part.
The second part is if we're
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talking about just doing larger
deals with like institutional
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groups or just larger groups in
general, start with finding out
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who the biggest players in your
in your market or whatever
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markets you are.
And when I say biggest, I don't
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necessarily mean go for the
biggest, baddest buyers, but you
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know, go look who, and that can
be mom and pop family offices
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or, or just larger groups in
general and go find out who's
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actually buying these things,
right?
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Who's consistently active?
Who's buying the type of product
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that you want to work on?
Find out their buying criteria
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and then go find them deals.
I think that's that's that's the
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easiest way to jump in.
OK, So in a world where there's
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so much noise and so many
notifications, how are you
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getting through to the owners on
these deals?
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Yeah, I believe in cold
outreach, right?
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That's oldest proven trick in
the book, and I think it'll will
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forever be here if you know If I
can get to the decision maker
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via phone, I call and if not I I
e-mail.
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OK, so how do you get the T12 or
the rent roll out of these folks
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if they might have not been
planning on it, right?
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That could be a wind.
I think it really depends on
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what you say, how you say, when
you say it, right?
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More so than that, though, you
have to understand that not
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everyone is, you know, willing
to give, give up that
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information off the bat.
They might want to make sure
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that you're real or whether they
just give you a price or whether
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they, you know, they give you
financials and no prize or
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whether they give you nothing.
I think what allowed me to be
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able to navigate through those
things and just kind of crack
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open those those little doors is
simply who I know, right?
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It's, it's all about who, you
know, right?
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I'm just simply referring to the
buyers, right?
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I'm in a place where because of
not just because of the deals
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that I've done, but you know, I
just have the buyers of all
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shapes and sizes and
relationships with the
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acquisition directors or the
acquisition guys or the chief
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investment officers at these
companies that trust me.
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And if I tell them there's
something there or there may be
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something there, they'd be
willing to underwrite it with or
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without, you know, any
financials.
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Now, getting financials out of
especially institutions is not
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easy, especially when they have
no motivation or and you're just
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reaching out to them out of the
blue.
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You know, a lot of times when
you get that response of like,
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you know, if we're not
considering selling list, but
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feel free to send an offer,
right?
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Going and getting an offer from
a credible group is, is kind of
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sometimes what cracks that door
open, right?
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And that, that's that's kind of
the the the first start, right?
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If I can get that, I can submit
that, right?
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Show them that I'm real.
And then you kind of find out if
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there's any motivation there,
right?
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Obviously when you're submitting
that you let them know that, you
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know, if they were open to
giving you financials or giving
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you whatever you need to
underwrite or have your client
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underwrite to tighten that
OfferUp and and submit a best
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foot forward offer.
You could do that, you know,
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very quickly.
And then a lot of times they
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they're like, here you go.
And then, you know, another
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thing is even if there's no
motivation, right?
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Sometimes you, you, I just ask
really right, like I would
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rather shoot my shot and get a
no then not shoot my shot at
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all, right.
So if somebody, you know, opens
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the door for me and tells me,
feel free to submit an offer,
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right?
Well, I'm going to let them
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know, like if is there any
chance you'd, you know, you'd be
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open to giving me a rent roll on
AT 12:00 so that I can, you
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know, bring you something best
foot forward, right, based off
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of real numbers.
I'm I'm not looking to waste
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your time.
I'm not looking to waste my time
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nor my client's time, right?
So, and then obviously, you
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know, I can get you, you know, a
back of the napkin offer all
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day.
And, and it's not, you know,
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it's never like, hey, here's a,
a lowball number, right?
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It's always, I only, I pride
myself in building relationships
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with only, you know, credible,
active and sophisticated buyers
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on all three levels, right?
Whether it's mom and pops, the,
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you know, larger family offices
and, and, and the institution so
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that, you know, and they
understand what we're doing
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here.
You're not going to get any
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deals or crack any windows open
by simply just submitting
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something that that you know, is
not going to work, right?
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But having those relationships
and being able, you know, I call
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it to do anything I canmore so
they're not kind of kind of
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crack those things open.
I also like to work very
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calculated, very kind of like
sniper driven step by step.
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If I get any sort of response
where I feel there might be
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something even remotely there,
for example, something along the
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lines of like, you know, feel
free to send an offer or, you
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know, we're not sharing anything
or, but we have a client that is
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open to taking an offer, feel
free to do so rather than just
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responding there on the spot.
All right, I'll take back.
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I made my research call a couple
relationships or a buyer, see if
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this is something that that they
would look at.
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I kind of gauge, you know, their
interest level.
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Then you get it.
You get a response from someone
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and say, oh, that's definitely
something we'd look at.
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If you have financials on that,
we'd be all over that right now.
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I know that I have somebody
lined up that is gives me a gut
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feeling that they're somewhat
excited about that.
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I'm idiot.
I know if I am able to get
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financials or even if I'm not
right, I can spend some sort of
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story to have them possibly
write an offer without
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financials.
Or, or even when I go and
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respond to, you know, the, the
the seller or the owner in this
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case, my response is gonna be
much more, you know, punch in
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the face, ready to go.
You know, this is who my client
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is.
This is little bit about them,
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you know, if you're open to
sharing even a red rolling T12,
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you know, I'm I'm happy to sign
an NDA.
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They're happy to sign an NDA and
I can just come a lot more
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harder with a, with a lot more
confidence, you know, at this
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owner to try to pry open what I
what I need to, to be able to do
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so.
So why would an owner sell on
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market verse off market in one
of these capacities?
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Yeah, You know, I think when
you're dealing with larger, you
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know, institutions and rates and
stuff of that nature, it it's,
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you know, bound to take it to
market, right.
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I mean, it's, it's just, you
know, protocol.
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That's just what they do.
But you know, it can be for many
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different reasons.
I think people have the notion
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that, you know, off market deals
or steals.
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I've, I've never sold an off
market deal that's a steal
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unless it was like a mom and
pop, you know, building owned by
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two mom and pops and so forth.
But it's, it's never been a
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steal.
It's always been, I would say
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definitely at market or
sometimes slightly above.
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And it could be for many
reasons.
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Maybe they, you know, they would
just prefer a quiet deal rather
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than going through the process
of marketing and everybody
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knowing that it's for sale and
possibly not selling.
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Also my case, 9% of the time my
buyer covers my Commission.
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So when you're getting to those
larger numbers, it can
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definitely make a difference.
And the way that I look at it is
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like, if I can get to that
number, you know, what, what,
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what's, what's the difference,
right?
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It's, it's quieter, it's way
more streamlined.
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My client will cover my
Commission.
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It'll save them going through a
whole process and commissions
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and and people.
For sale sign in front of your
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multi family complex.
People also, you know, it's like
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I need to take it to market to
get to the highest number
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possible, right?
And let people, you know, do a
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bidding war or whatever.
But for the right asset group,
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it would pay top of the market
anyway.
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So it's just about, you know,
finding the right group for that
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deal.
Yeah.
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OK.
So there's this interesting
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progression.
As a broker, you are starting
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out, you're doing your ones and
twos, right, small deals just to
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get deal flow going.
But then you know that there's a
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world where you can go out and
slay these elephants.
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And by slay the elephants, I
mean do large transactions.
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How did you get from essentially
the ones and twos to the
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elephants?
What did the transition look
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like for you from that shift?
In the beginning when we started
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to put deals together, right, my
job was like selling 10 to 30
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unit deals in Koreatown.
That was my area.
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This was prior to meeting the
individual kind of at the off
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market approach to stuff in
2000.
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I saw what he was doing first
and foremost, right?
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He was selling call it like
10,000,015 million, $18 million
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deals.
And I noticed the listing was
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like, you know, why do I have to
list a property if I could sell
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it off market, right?
And if I can make right buyer to
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a deal, they're going to pay,
you know, the price that the
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owner wants anyways.
Why not?
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And so I just really just jumped
into shifting my focus.
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I remember he told me, you know,
which I can't say that I, I
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fully agree with, but I, I think
it's, it's just the nature of
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the beast, right?
A lot of the problems and the
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headaches, right, come with the
smaller deals, you know, that
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actually when you're dealing
with the larger just stuff,
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you're just dealing with more
sophisticated parties.
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And it's a it's a little
different and you're not, you
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don't, you don't have to do too
much hand holding.
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But I just jumped in.
I just started.
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He would tell me what his
clients would look for, for
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calling those deals.
I would start calling these
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owners and just simply trying to
see if there was a price or any
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indication or any motivation
whatsoever, if they'd even look
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at an offer.
And then slowly, slowly we
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started doing some deals.
And then very quickly and do do
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the, do the buyers realize as
well that wait a minute, it's
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not, you know, so and so finding
these deals, It's it's David,
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you know, how do we well, the
relationship with David, but
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then also you realize that I am
giving away a lot of money for a
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phone call that I can make
myself because obviously the
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hardest part is finding the
deals.
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I am not finding buyers.
So that's really, you know, how
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I jumped in.
I think it takes a lot of
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definitely takes risk.
You have to be OK with, you
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know, not doing deals, you know,
every month or, or, you know,
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sometimes every two months or
three months or sometimes
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longer.
No, but in in my case, and I'm
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only speaking for myself, OK, I
don't do real estate or sell
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because I necessarily love real
estate.
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You know, I just I like putting
something together out of
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nothing.
I like the ID of sitting on my
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computer, cold calling, cold
emailing, having an idea of, you
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know, a client with, you know,
might buy this or whatever the
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case may be.
Driving by a building, writing
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an address and being like, I
wonder if I can sell that, you
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know, starting from a no to one
day, maybe walking this
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property, you know, while you're
in inspection, like, what the
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hell am I doing here?
You know, and, and selling that
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I, I like the art of deal
making.
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I like having relationships with
these groups and, you know,
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getting special wish lists or
hey, David, which happens to me.
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Hey, you know, this is a
building that we'd be all over,
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you know, if you can get them to
sell like this is our Unicorn
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like and then just trying to
figure out how to go do it.
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It's funny, it's like, it's like
I said, like the most simple and
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complicated job.
Yeah.
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Yeah.
You know, again, I'm solely
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speaking for for myself, right?
I could see how you know, some
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individuals, you know, like,
what do you mean you don't love
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real estate?
Like, you know, what if deals
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are not happening all the time
or you're only working on larger
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deals and things like that.
But it doesn't, it doesn't
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bother me because I I
necessarily more more do it for
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the sport, but I think because I
do it for the sport as well.
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I don't get frustrated when you
know, deals fall out when things
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are are not moving because I
also know that I've been there a
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million times, right?
And when you're there, you kind
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of, you know, the only thing
that gets you out of those
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things is to just go look for
more deals.
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And then the next thing you
know, you, you end up doing a
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deal.
So, you know, you never get
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stressed because you just
realize, like all I got to do is
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pick up the phone or send some
emails and leads are going to
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come.
And then you just, you know, you
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work on those leads and try to
get into the finish line.
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Yeah, no, it's like energy in
results out.
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That's that's really it.
I just try to do everything with
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intention and understand that at
the end of the day, even though
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it is me, it is not me.
Oh, and whatever I have or you
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know, God can make something,
you know, 10 deals happen like
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that in the 2nd.
And I and I just do my part, try
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to be a good person and just
have faith that, you know,
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whatever happens is the way that
it's supposed to happen.
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And that's just the way that,
you know, supposed to be for me.
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And it makes life 10 times
easier.
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Maybe 100 times is you wait.
If you're, if you're in the
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right place, I think you can
feel that, absolutely.
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Other people can feel that, too.
Absolutely, absolutely right.
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OK, David, before I let you go
today, what is your commercial
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real estate secret?
So I'm going to leave you with
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one thing and something that,
you know, could help anybody who
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wants to sell larger assets,
especially off market.
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You know, nobody cares, you
know, if a deal you brought them
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didn't work out or they
submitted an offer and it didn't
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work out or, you know, whatever,
all they care about is, you
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know, where the hell does David
keep pulling these deals out of
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his, you know what from?
And how do I make sure that
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every time he does, he calls me
first, right?
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And think that's, that's really
just it being willing to put in
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the work, build a relationships
and, and find the opportunities
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and, and, you know, there's
really no secret.
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It's just about doing some
research, finding who these
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groups are that actually, you
know, the five these deals that
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you want to work on.
If you reach out to the right
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person and ask them what they
buy, they're going to tell you.
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And then you just simply have to
go punch in whatever data they
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gave you in the costar and start
reaching all bones.
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Now, if anything, you do it with
a lot more confidence because,
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you know, you actually have
these people, right, that, that,
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that I and these who are
extremely credible that just
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told you what they look for,
what they buy.
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And then you, you know, you go
find stuff and then you take it
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to them.
And if it doesn't work for them,
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well, you're not going to let
your deal die.
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Do some research, right?
Find out, you know, the next
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most credible group that you see
or that you know, might, might
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take this thing down and then
reach out to them.
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And the next thing you know,
you're, you're, you know, it's a
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win win situation because you're
finding deals, bringing them to,
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you know, larger groups who are
sophisticated and active.
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And I'd either they're buying
those deals from you or you're
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finding deals bringing them, you
know, bringing these deals to,
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to groups who are sophisticated
and active.
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And they're not buying them from
you, but you're building
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relationships with them and,
and, and, and you know what they
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buy.
And you can now, you know, go
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try to put these deals together.
Right.
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I think there's like a funny
distinction between a broker
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when they feel like they're
bugging a buyer or a seller, and
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then when they realize you're
actually bringing a value to a
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buyer or seller.
That's a that's kind of my
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unlock is like, no, I'm I'm
valuable to you.
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I will bring you the deals.
I make you money.
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Absolutely that's why I think
it's all about working smarter,
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right, Obviously working hard,
but but working smarter, right.
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You know, the, the value that I
bring to a buyer is, you know,
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tell me what you buy, I'll go
find you deals right now we see
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it gets way more calculated than
that, right?
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Because you don't want to be
shopping deals around and
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blasting them.
You know, if you take a deal and
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send it to you 5 buyers or 10
buyers and, and, and wait for
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everybody's feet.
Well, now it's not necessarily
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off market, right?
It's, it's about being
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calculated.
You know, who's the right person
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for this?
You know, based off the area,
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the product type, who you may
know that owns around here, who
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you, you may not know that owns,
that doesn't, that owns a route
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here.
And, and you know, maybe it's
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worth me reaching out to this
group 1st that I don't have a
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relationship with, but based off
of whatever research I, I did or
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I'm doing, I, I think that, you
know, they may be a better fit
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for it and running it by them
first.
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But I try to just be, you know,
sniper calculated.
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David.
Yes.
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That's bad ass.
Thank you, I appreciate it.
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For the listeners want to find
you, follow you, contact you, I
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believe you do mentorship and
mentored by you.
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Where can they do so?
Yeah.
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So I just just to be 1,000,000%
clear, I am not a coach by any
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means or a coach by nature.
I do for fun.
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It really happened on accident
many, many years ago.
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But I just like teaching
individuals do larger deals and,
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and changing their lives or
their family lives or do
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whatever they want with it.
That's none of my business.
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But but yeah, I just, I, I, I
like, I love nothing more than,
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you know, getting, you know, Adm
or getting especially, you know,
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all I have is is Twitter, first
and foremost.
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It's my only social media, let's
call it.
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I think it's the real David
Cohen or the David Cohen, excuse
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me, under score.
So David, thank you for being on
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the show today.
If you have an off market
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multifamily property, call
David, he's your guy.
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Thank you.
Thank you for being on the show
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today.
Pleasure.
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My pleasure.
Thanks for having me.
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Of course.
And for everybody listening,
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we'll see you next week.
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